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you have mentioned the need to know

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podcast you've done yesterday as we

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record this the 15th of February it was

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your first live with yourself and Ross

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Ross mentioned that there's a real

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disconnect between the Air Force and the

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White House on this topic and subject

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and I don't think that will shock many

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who holds the cards here when it comes

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to the UFO discussion in the U.S

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government

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well that is to be determined isn't it I

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think the president of the United States

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is finding himself in the middle of that

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little tug of war as well just to bring

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your um listeners and viewers up to

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speed here

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um it has been historic that the Air

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Force was sort of in the early days of

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this the historical perspective was well

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these things are flying around in the

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sky I guess we should call the Air Force

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in and that's what got you Project Blue

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Book and and all the other ones project

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sign project Grudge and and uh the those

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were Air Force investigations but

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remember one thing if you study your UFO

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history you'll find that even while all

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these sightings in the air were being

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reported there was always a constant

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undercurrent

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from the sea where where there were

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sightings in the sea and so the Navy was

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always interested in it uh they just

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didn't get the starring role when we did

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Dark Skies uh one of the things that

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Brent Friedman and I did is we had

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Majestic 12 as as kind of the backdrop

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to the whole thing and that's a whole

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nother discussion but the person we put

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in charge was someone who was from The

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Office of Naval intelligence and uh so

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we didn't put an Air Force off officer

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in now where are we right now we're in a

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situation where

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uh don't just take my word for it Chris

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mellon's written about this extensively

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um

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but

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the Air Force was not helpful as they

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should have been in the preparation of

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those reports and the Navy was I mean

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clearly you have a division of some kind

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going on where people in the Air Force

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would rather we just keep all this

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buttoned up and let's not let's not go

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crazy here and people in the Navy seem

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almost a little fed up because their

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pilots are encountering this stuff and

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they'd like answers so

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um what Ross was saying on the show is

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that we have developed a source who has

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told us that a high level officer in the

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Navy has literally gone to the White

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House to say that the Air Force is lying

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to you about what's going on

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and if

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if that bears fruit and turns out to be

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true and we think it is then that means

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that this issue has escalated Beyond

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just something you and I Andy might talk

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about and and kick around with our

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friends at a party and is now something

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that uh because Congress is interested

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we've passed that uh whistleblower

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legislation with the new National

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Defense authorization Act

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there are a lot of moving pieces and I

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guess the only way I could sell say it

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is some of them are real are re

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reinforcing

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behavior and taking away from Behavior

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the whole way that this has been dealt

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with over the years appears to be

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changing and and yes uh the essence of

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your question is do we have a division

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it looks like we do

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um and let's face it what's something

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that Washington could do that could

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happen in Washington right now that

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would change the game immediately leaks

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I mean you know Ross and I are

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journalists we leaks are how you find

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things uh people uh who want the truth

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out uh talk to journalists and

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journalists print it and then people

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react to it so I think we are also

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getting to the place where

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the idea that there's a a kind of a

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conflict uh between the Air Force and

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the Navy which has historically as we

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said existed a long time now may be

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coming into the open because the the

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Congressional committee people seem to

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be saying we want to look into these

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Legacy programs and by Legacy programs

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they mean programs designed to reverse

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engineering captured craft so you know

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all I can say to your listeners and